Everyone is capable of, and can benefit from, mathematical thinking

sonabinu | 95 points

I agree with the sentiment of this. I think our obsession with innate mathematical skill and genius is so detrimental to the growth mindset that you need to have in order to learn things.

I've been working a lot on my math skills lately (as an adult). A mindset I've had in the past is that "if it's hard, then that means you've hit your ceiling and you're wasting your time." But really, the opposite is true. If it's easy, then it means you already know this material, and you're wasting your time.

gsabo | 2 hours ago

I'm not a math teacher, but I do enjoy math, and I have helped several family members and friends with math courses.

I've long thought that almost all have the capability to learn roughly high school level math, though it will take more effort for some than for others. And a key factor to keep up a sustained effort is motivation. A lot of people who end up hating math or think they're terrible at it just haven't had the right motivation. Once they do, and they feel things start to make sense and they're able to solve problems, things get a lot easier.

Personally I also feel that learning math, especially a bit higher-level stuff where you go into derivations and low-level proofs, has helped me a lot in many non-math areas. It changed the way I thought about other stuff, to the better.

Though, helping my family members and friends taught me that different people might need quite different approaches to start to understand new material. Some have an easier time approaching things from a geometrical or graph perspective, others really thrive on digging into the formulas early on etc. One size does not fit all.

magicalhippo | an hour ago

I totally agree! The barriers many of us face with math are less about ability and more about how we've been taught to approach it. All it took was for me to change my math teacher at school, and boom. Love, but at second sight. And curiosity and persistence can unlock more than just numbers

cchi_co | 44 minutes ago

A nice sentiment but clearly a large % of people never do learn even basic mathematical thinking and seem very confused by it. So is there some scientific study backing up the claim that all these people could easily learn it or are we just making it up because its a nice egalitarian thesis for a math popularization book?

tracerbulletx | 2 hours ago

I studied math hard for several years in college and graduate school—purely out of interest and enjoyment, not for any practical purpose. That was more than forty years ago, but Bessis's description of the role of intuition in learning and doing math matches my recollection of my subjective experience of it.

Whether that youthful immersion in math in fact benefitted me in later life and whether that kind of thinking is actually desirable for everyone as he seems to suggest—I don't know. But it is a thought-provoking interview.

tkgally | 3 hours ago

> the provocative claim

Leibniz made that claim centuries ago in his critical remarks on John Locke's Essay on Human Understanding. Leibniz specifically said that Locke's lack of mathematical knowledge led him to (per Leibniz) his philosophical errors regarding the nature of 'substance'.

https://www.earlymoderntexts.com/assets/pdfs/leibniz1705book...

limit499karma | 3 hours ago

I’m far from being any kind of serious mathematician, but I’ve learned more in the last couple years of taking that seriously as an ambition than in decades of relegating myself to inferiority on it.

One of the highly generous mentors who dragged me kicking and screaming into the world of even making an attempt told me: “There are no bad math students. There are only bad math teachers who themselves had bad math teachers.”

benreesman | 3 hours ago

> everyone can, and should, try to improve their mathematical thinking — not necessarily to solve math problems, but as a general self-help technique

Agreed with the above. Almost everyone can probably expand their mathematical thinking abilities with deliberate practice.

> But I do not think this is innate, even though it often manifests in early childhood. Genius is not an essence. It’s a state. It’s a state that you build by doing a certain job.

Though his opinion on mathematical geniuses above, I somewhat disagree with. IMO everyone has a ceiling when it comes to math.

jyscao | 3 hours ago

Statistical (Bayesian) thinking is an extremely underrated way of thinking of almost everything.

block_dagger | 31 minutes ago

Agree. I’ve been trying to learn ML and data for a few years now and, around 2021 I guess, realised Maths was the real block.

I’ve tried a bunch of courses (MIT linalg, Coursera ICL Maths for ML, Khan etc etc) but what I eventually realised is my foundations were so, so weak being mid 30s and having essentially stopped learning in HS (apart from a business stats paper at Uni).

Enter a post on reddit about Mathacademy (https://www.mathacademy.com/). It’s truly incredible. I’m doing around 60-90 minutes a day and properly understanding and developing an intuition for things. They’ve got 3 pre-uni courses and I’ve now nearly finished the first one. It’s truly a revelation to be able to intuit and solve even simple problems and, having skipped ahead so far in my previous study, see fuzzy links to what’s coming.

Cannot recommend it enough. I’m serious about enrolling in a Dip Grad once I’ve finished the Uni level stuff. Maybe even into an MA eventually.

te_chris | an hour ago

I used to get very frustrated that others could not intuit information the way I could. I have a lot of experience trying to express quantities to leaders and policymakers.

At the very minimum, I ask people to always think of the distribution of whatever figure they are given.

Just that is far more than so many are willing to do.

agtech_andy | 3 hours ago

This guy is unbelievably French (I mean in his intellectual character). Here I was expecting a kind of rehash of the 20th century movements of pure math and high modernism[0], but instead we get a frankly Hegelian concept of math or at least a Hegel filtered through 20th and 21st century French philosophy.

[0]https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41962944

DiscourseFan | 3 hours ago

Gentle Reminder that the author of this article used to have a wonderful math channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/pbsinfiniteseries

agnishom | 2 hours ago

Everyone? Even retards?

LAC-Tech | an hour ago