Microsoft officially supports running Windows 11 on M1 and M2 Macs

Idiot_in_Vain | 80 points

Now, Windows 11 can be streamed on Mac computers built with M-series processors using a Cloud PC and the Windows 365 service.

So it's not really running on the hardware? Am I missing something silly? How does this fundamentally differ from me RD or VNC'ing into my Windows machine? Other than the long list of limitations they list - which I don't have when RD'ing to my Windows box?

christoph | 10 months ago

I’m more interested in the reverse. I’ve been building (resurrecting?) a game engine https://github.com/shawwn/noh and I was looking forward to my new M2 primarily so that I could finally do cross platform gamedev on a single machine. Mac, windows, Linux, all on one box.

Hah! Fat chance. It’s frustratingly close to working. But Linux Ubuntu arm has trouble using the M2’s GPU through Fusion, and Windows 11 ARM is … well, let’s just say that arm64 Windows isn’t a priority. Fmod won’t release an fmod lib for it, so the engine straight up has no sound. And I don’t know if I was able to get the graphics to work either.

It’s OpenGL man. This shouldn’t be that hard. But graphics is perpetually trapped in 1999 era developer experience.

For real though, I want to support Linux as a first class citizen. That means someone with Ubuntu should be able to boot and play the game just fine. Theoretically the engine should be good to go right now (anyone feel like running it?) but I don’t have any way in my life to verify that, short of literally buying three different workstations and testing them on each.

sillysaurusx | 10 months ago

You can just use the Insider Preview (22000.1_PROFESSIONAL_ARM64_EN-US.ISO) and revert to Stable in a UTM VM.

These restrictions are completely arbitrary on the part of Microsoft. Source (My M1 Mac): https://freeimage.host/i/H4PgC5F

srslack | 10 months ago

Spoiler: It's not about running Windows 11 natively on Apple Silicon.

This announcement doesn't change anything, in practice, but it does suggest that more hardware support may be coming.

runjake | 10 months ago

The 2015 Macbook Pro is still probably the best laptop (build quality, screen quality, keyboard, etc.) that you can run x86 Windows on directly. Is there any current windows laptop that doesn't feel like plastic junk compared to a Macbook?

xnx | 10 months ago

Following compatibility and standards is always good, irrespective of who does it. It'd be great if they supported running .NET and WinForms on Ubuntu some day, might actually happen who knows!

prahladyeri | 10 months ago

The state of tech reporting is at a level where I'm not really sure one can give it any trust for the headline story, let alone any secondary information they include.

In this article we see "Arm custom-made the M1 and M2 chips for Apple." That's false, Apple designed their own chip using the ARM reference designs.

And yesterday(1) on a Venture Beat article about the M2 in Apple's Keynote: "The chip will go into the Mac Studio product, which previously used Intel silicon."

Neither of these quotes are factual. Apple designed the M-series chips, and the Mac Studio has never existed with an intel inside.

(1)https://venturebeat.com/games/apple-unveils-m2-ultra-process...

quitit | 10 months ago

For a moment I was disappointed that Microsoft was able to port Windows faster than the community to port Linux. Pfew, that's not it. I suppose running Linux streamed from the cloud or virtualized on M1 and M2 has never required any particular official support, MS is just very late. I'm surprised this support only comes now actually.

jraph | 10 months ago
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| 10 months ago

Would using a Windows 11 vm have any risks of Windows 11 or a subprocess within Windows 11 configs from work affect anything on the Apple side? Can a Windows vm potentially scrape what is not part of its data volume as assigned by the vm software?

GravityLabs | 10 months ago

Useful news. I just RDP into a jump box if I need something Windows from my M1 macbook, but having a subset of that available on the same machine would be really helpful.

green-salt | 10 months ago

Lada officially supports mounting its engines on Mercedes.

lykahb | 10 months ago

TechRepublic doesn't seem to know what the word "running" means, because this ain't it.

causi | 10 months ago

Unfortunately, that's just a form of metastasis 8-(

When M$ makes the realization that Apple made decades ago, and abandons it's proprietary kernel for a POSIX compliant (linux, BSD, etc) kernel then there will finally be hope for the world...

johnea | 10 months ago

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JEDI-HACKER | 10 months ago